Episode 101 - FISL, Fo' Shizzle

[Leccy]

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Mono revised...

Moo?

Must be Moo

I can't wait to get home and catch up on the last 3 episodes...
Chinese firewall:

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no twitter,
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[ryan]

Great show guys!

So, Fab is the SCO?

Better watch out with that name because you might run into a problem with a certain company.

[mg6]

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Mono revised...

That looks exactly like Jono Bacon with a long beard. And Jono versus Mono? That's too close for just a coincidence. Now we know why Canonical ships Mono. It's really Jono that's the shadowy figure behind Mono.

[jezra]

The news regarding the omission of a codec standard for the video tag of HTML5 is rather upsetting. For images, one can use jpg, gif or png. The limit in choice is, in my opinion, a good thing since the browser developers only need to add support for 3 image types; and content creators know exactly what they need to do to get they content on the internets and viewable by content consumers. With a lack of codec standard, how do the content creators know what codec they should use for video on the web? Should they just pick a codec willy-nilly and hope that the codec is available on all systems?
Dear Apple, please go fuck yourself; you are hindering the advancement of the internet as an openly accessible medium of information.

[jonkulp]

Great show guys!

So, Fab is the SCO?

Better watch out with that name because you might run into a problem with a certain company.

There's a club in Oberlin, Ohio called "The Sco." IIRC, it was short for "The Disco" (as if that wasn't short enough already!). Fab should visit Oberlin.

[jezra]

the Arch Pen; I don't want it, but I do want to send some crap to Dan or Fab to give to a lucky listener. To whom should I send the stuff?

[notriddle]

Dear Apple, please go fuck yourself; you are hindering the advancement of the internet as an openly accessible medium of information.

Please don't, Apple. You might reproduce.

[jezra]

I don't understand how Apple has the clout to say "Ogg is out of the questions", and then the standards body just goes along with Apple. There is a big difference between requesting feedback from browser developers and blinding following what just one developer has to say. If Mozilla and the KHTML developers says "It has to be Ogg, nothing else will do", what then? Does html 5 get cancelled because people giving feedback couldn't agree? Of course not. The feedback gets weighed by its merits to the end user's of the internet and then, in the end, the HTML5 standards body makes the decision on the best way to move forward. Perhaps a better response to Apple would have been:
Dear Apple,
Thank you for your suggestion.We aren't going to follow it.

[ideasman42]

I don't understand how Apple has the clout to say "Ogg is out of the questions", and then the standards body just goes along with Apple.--- snip ---
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Agree, and I also found this confusing when reading it on a number of news sites.

Though they tread a bit of a fine line between dictating the specs or just being ignored. - Even so, In this case since firefox and chrome are doing Theora, I think this is a case where they could have specified Theora as a video format.

Another thing that came up was that Theora isnt as good quality as H264, This also bemuses me a bit, ofcourse bandwidth is important and all. especially with video. but in a year or 2 there will probably be some format thats better then H264, and so on new and improved video codecs periodically get released... at some point you need to settle on one.
I don't see everyone demanding browsers support jpeg2000 just because the files are smaller then jpeg.

[ideasman42]

Re: Mono having features that MS's .NET doesn't.
Dan & Fab were saying Mono could extend C# in ways that MS isn't doing yet, but that this would be a problem because MS could take it.

First of all the feature mono is an optimization, so its not going to change compatibility, Secondly, MS wouldn't take it because of GPL blah blah... but even if it was BSD licensed, the internals are most likely so different to Mono that having an existing implementation wouldn't help much even as a reference.

About python3, I moved to python3 with the development version of blender2.5, even though I use it as a developer and Blender2.5 wont be released for many months. I get really rude and un-helpful responses whenever I ask questions about python3. - Basically they always give the knee jerk reaction - "Don't use py3, if you do your an idiot!"...
Python 3.0 was a bit like kde4.0 in some ways, but its odd to be a developer and continuously be told not to target the next version.

Weather python3.x is ready or not depends a lot on what your doing, if you write very advanced python apps that use a lot of pythons internal modules and some external modules, then Id say its not ready.
For Blender we have our own API's and use python for fairly basic stuff, so for us its ready I think.